Intuitive Eating & Body Confidence with Terri Pugh

42. Would you rather...... diet edition

March 21, 2022 Terri Pugh Episode 42
Intuitive Eating & Body Confidence with Terri Pugh
42. Would you rather...... diet edition
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Have you ever played that game, would you rather? You have to choose between 2 crazy options, neither of which you would really want. Well today we're playing that and making it the diet edition. Which choices will you make?


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Welcome to the intuitive eating and body positivity Podcast. I'm Terri and I'll be talking about all things intuitive eating, body positivity and Health at Every Size and shaking of weight stigma, diet culture and food rules so that we can all have a better relationship with food and our bodies/

 

Hello, how are you? Another week another episode? How you doing? 

 

Okay. So let me give you a cat update. Remember last week I said that my cat her poor and hopefully it was just a little sprain and she'd be fine. Guess what? It's not just a little sprain. She's not fine, poor little thing. She has actually broken to no three toes, three toes. Now the problem is that my Tilly is mardi. She's proper mardi. She really hates the vet. So this ended up in her going to the vets being sedated having an x ray. What a nightmare. 

 

And now this week coming. She's got to go and have it operated on. Poor little thing. She's got to go and have pins put in her toes. How mad is that? Bless her. So we have a cat that is usually an outdoor cat that is now confined to indoors and confined mainly to one room. Bless her. I feel really sorry for her but this is no fun for us either. We have to have a scratting at doors and meowing and snarling all day long. Oh, she's so unhappy. But she's still limping, she still won't put it on the floor. So it really does need doing. Very serious, but she'll be fine. All I can say is thank goodness for insurance, though. Oh, my God. I won't tell you how much the bill is. But it is a lot. But anyway, it's worth it, isn't it? It's worth it. She's going to be fine. But yeah, so a little more serious than the sprain we thought it was, isn't it? 

 

It's really sunny here today, spring is coming. I love the sun, I really need the sun. It makes me feel so good. And this week, for the first time in a long time, I have thought it's getting to that time where I can sit and have a cup of tea outside in the morning before I get ready for work, or sit outside and decompress after a long day at work in the evening. It's gonna be so lovely. I can't wait till it's really really, really, really sunny and warm. It's lovely today been out no coat on? What? Long may it stay. 

 

Hope your week's been good. I don't really have anything else going on other than the cat diaries. So nothing else exciting to tell you. But I hope you've had a good week. I hope it's been really positive really good. 

 

This week, I thought I'd do something a little bit different on this episode and I thought we would have a game of 'would you rather'. Have you played 'Would you rather' before? For those who don't know, basically, it's a bit of fun? And something you can play with your mates? And you say 'Would you rather' followed by a weird question? 

 

So an example would be would you rather have toes for fingers or fingers for toes? And then you have to think about it like well, I think I would rather have.... which would I rather have.... fingers for toes. Because although there comes the practicalities of having to have much bigger shoes, and probably a different way of walking. I still need my fingers. And I think if I had toes on my hands, it wouldn't be good. Because then I'd have just two sets of chose rather than two sets of hands and two sets of hands is much more useful, isn't it? 

 

See what I mean? So we're going to play 'Would You Rather, the diet edition'. This is going to be based around the things that diet clubs or diet plans make us do things that we know now when we know better. Things are absolutely crazy but at the time we make choices based around these things that diet plans have set for us. So this is what we're going to base would you rather on. So here we go. 

 

Would you rather never eat pizza again for the rest of time, or only eat pizza that's made with a smash base? Now, smash for those who don't know, is like a fake powdered mashed potato. And you get this powder comes in a packet mix and you mix it with some water and it fluffs up into this mashed potato stuff. It's not mashed potato, in my opinion, it's gross. But some people use it. And then, in slimming clubs, people have figured out that you can create a similar consistency to a pizza base, using this mashed potato, and on Slimming World that would make it a free food. 

 

And then by the very nature of tweaking the plan and cheating to make sure that you can still eat things that you kind of like people developed this way to turn this mashed potato stuff into pizza basis. Yep, I know. I know. I never did it didn't like it. Either that or cauliflower, and couscous. These things were all used as pizza bases in the time that I was there. Which would you rather, no pizza, or a pizza made with a base of one of those things? I know what my choice is. 

 

The thought of not having pizza again, as long as I live. It's pretty grim. I love pizza. But the thought of only eating pizza for the rest of time that's made out of this rubbish. I think I'd rather just not have pizza. I think there's other ways to satisfy my food cravings than eating cauliflower as a pizza base. Huh? No, not for me. Thank you. 

 

Okay, here's another would you rather never have lasagna again? Or only ever have lasagna if the white sauce in it is made with cottage cheese? Yep, that's what we had to do. On our plan, the actual white sauce that you make a lasagna with was far too calorific, far too fattening, and so you would make up a replica of it with yoghurt and cottage cheese. Now I don't like cottage cheese at the best of times, I know there are people out there that genuinely like it and that's fine. I'm not taking away foods that you like. But when your only option for lasagna is to make the white sauce out of cottage cheese or natural yoghurt, I'm sorry, I'll go without. 

 

It does not taste like the white sauce is supposed to taste. It's really unpleasant, I think. And when something is that unpleasant, it makes the whole meal unpleasant. So it's not like you can just excuse the sauce because the lasagna as a whole is fine. You'd make the lasagna with everything else you would make lasagna with usually but the white sauce once you swap that out, the whole meal tastes different. 

 

So what happens is you end up eating this meal, you don't really enjoy it, it's not satisfying. So then the rest of time that day is spent looking for something to give you that satisfaction. And that's pointless, really, isn't it? Because if you just had the lasagna that you wanted with the cheese sauce with the white sauce, however you like your lasagna, if you just made it with that, instead, you're going to be satisfied. You're not going to be then rummaging through the cupboards looking for something that you do enjoy because you've eaten a meal that in your eyes is substandard and you haven't enjoyed. 

 

It's a false economy when you look at it that way. What you're saving in that meal that you're making, by putting cottage cheese and natural yoghurt in it, you're then going to have any way later because you're going to have to find that satisfaction elsewhere. For me, no brainer. I'm not eating lasagna ever again. 

 

Okay, here's another one. Would you rather never have tortilla chips ever again? Or only have tortilla chips if they were made out of baked lasagna sheets? Who else's mind is blown? How ridiculous is that? But this is the thing that happened. This is the thing that people did. Nevermind the Doritos. Nevermind the tortilla chips. You know and the dips and things. Instead what people chose to do was break up lasagna sheets, you know dried pasta, dried lasagna sheets. They'd break them up into tortilla shaped ish pieces, and then they would bake them in the oven. 

 

Now I'm going to tell you right here, right No, they do not taste like tortilla chips. They do not they don't come anywhere near no amount of flavouring and salt and anything like that is going to make a baked lasagna sheets tastes like a tortilla chip. Same with crisps. Now I'm not a big fan of crisps and things like this so the tortilla chip thing didn't really bother me but if it was my husband, for example, he really likes crisps, so to try and take them away all together and find an alternative is pretty tricky, really. 

 

When people were slicing up bits of potato and microwaving them or baking them in the oven, and yes, I know a crisp, is sliced and fried or baked potato, but it is not the same. It's just not the same as having a bag of crisps. Is it? Also, those lasagna sheet tortilla chips broke your teeth. There was no softening of the sheet before you put it in the oven. You just put raw lasagna sheets in the oven. No, not for me. Thank you. Another hard no on that one. I would rather not eat crisps not eat tortilla chips as long as I live. 

 

A similar one was would you rather never eat nuts again? Or only eat baked chickpeas? Doesn't it sound ridiculous when you think of it like that? Oh my god. So here we go. Again, what you do is you take a tin of chickpeas. I hesitated then because I didn't know whether I should actually tell you how to do this stuff. But you would take a tin of chickpeas, you would dry them and then you would give them some flavouring, like some barbecue seasoning or something, or just some salt and pepper however you like things like that, and then you would bake them in the oven. 

 

And somehow they were supposed to be like, you know when you go to the cinema and you can have warm nuts that the machine is supposed to be something like that. No, they are not just they're just chickpeas that have been in the oven. They're a little bit crunchy. They're mostly squidgy on the inside. Unless you can't quite get it right and then you overcook them and the whole thing just breaks your teeth. No. They're really not good. Not good at all. So I really love nuts. This isn't like the whole crisps thing for me. I do really love nuts. But still, I would rather not eat nuts ever again, then have to have something that tries to replicate it and does a very bad job of it. So no, no, thank you. The chickpeas are not for me.

 

Would you rather only have bread for breakfast? Or bread for lunch? And when I say bread, I mean all forms of bread and bread like products. So this is sliced bread, pita bread, crumpets, and crackers and things like that. Would you rather only have them at breakfast, or lunch? That's a choice we actually had to make on Slimming World because there was this thing called Healthy As and Healthy Bs. 

 

Healthy As were dairy products, healthy Bs were fibre type of products. And the aim behind it, I think was to try and get you to have fibre in your diet. But the reverse side of this was that in trying to get you to have the fibrous products, they were also at the same time trying to restrict you having them because you only allowed one a day, one of these offer list a day. 

 

So then you ended up with the choice of do you want toast or cereal for breakfast? Yes. If you do, then what are you going to have for lunch? Because you can't have anything like that again. But if you don't have that for breakfast, then you can have a sandwich at lunchtime. But then what you're going to have for breakfast? Hmm, what a quandary. It's a quandary and a ridiculous way to live, don't you think? 

 

Let me tell you the extreme that this rule made me go to when I was doing this slimming plan. I would, in an effort to get around the system to cheat the system, I would have couscous instead of porridge oats. Yes, I know. It's ridiculous. I know it's ridiculous, but that's what I used to do. So that I didn't use up this B choice in my breakfast having oats because I liked overnight oats I would have couscous instead of the oats, and then I could have a sandwich at lunchtime. 

 

Now, for those who don't know what overnight oats are, basically you put oats with some fruit and with some yoghurt and maybe a bit milk and, you know, maybe you'll have some nuts or something in there, whatever you like to have in your porridge. It's a cold porridge. So you put it all together the night before you put it in the fridge and then when you get up in the morning, the oats have soaked up the milk and yoghurt and the fruit has kind of blended into it. And it's really quite tasty actually. I really like it. Even outside of dieting I like it because it's a satisfying breakfast for me. I can have nice things, good flavours. I can have a sweet breakfast in the summer. It's really lovely, because I can still have a porridge G stodgy type thing, but it's cold and I really like it. 

 

So when I was trying to get around my, how can I have my B choice for lunch dilemma, I decided that I would try and have couscous, a free product on this plan, I will try and do my porridge with that instead. Although it wasn't great, the consistency was quite similar. But actually, it's not really getting around anything, because the reason that they restrict these things to one a day is to restrict the calorie intake. So by me taking out one product and replacing it with another product, whether it says it's free on the plan or not, it's still got calories in it. 

 

So what have I actually done? I've taken out a product that is really good for me out. So good. They're full of fibre and protein and carbs, and loads are good stuff for you. I'd taken that out and replaced it with couscous, which is also a carbohydrate, it also has some fibre in it. But there's stuff in there that you don't get in the oats. And so I hadn't done myself any favours, all I done was cheated the system. 

 

But I really wanted that bread for lunch, I really wanted a sandwich because quite honestly, I was sick to death of eating jacket potatoes. Because on these plans, your options are pretty limited. And I was down to either a sandwich or a jacket potato, or a salad that's made up with some pasture or some rice. Well, there's only so many times you can eat that in a week before you are sick to death of it. 

 

This is what restriction does. When you're bored with food, when you're not satisfied with food, you go on this drive to find the other things that will give you the satisfaction. And you end up doing really weird things with food when actually the reality is if I had just had a sandwich, it would have been fine. Really, what harm is going to come from having a bowl of oats in the morning and they sandwich at lunchtime? What a ridiculous thing to ask you to do. So the answer to that, would you rather question is it doesn't matter? It doesn't matter which one you want? Because you can have both? 

 

Would you rather have chocolate with a side of guilt, or expensive slimming club branded chocolate bars? Yep, that was your choice on the plan. You can have actual chocolate, real life chocolate off the shelf in the supermarkets, and you can eat it and you will feel guilty and you will feel like you shouldn't have eaten it. And you will have to count this ridiculous amount of sins or points or whatever it is that you're counting. Or you can buy the branded bars from your slimming club. The ones that are right by the desk that you pay your subscription at the ones that are strategically placed to make you spend money with the diet club. The ones that come in this range of tempting flavours. 

 

And don't you know, you can have two for a B choice. So oh my god, now I can have one bar in the morning, one bar at lunchtime, or one bar at lunchtime and one bar in the evening. Whoa, what a wild way to live. But actually, this is just throwing a spanner in the works because if they are a B choice, now I have to decide, do I want to bread for breakfast bread for lunch? Or do I want these chocolate bars? 

 

If you choose the chocolate bars, though, it means you've got something good in your day. You've got something to look forward to. You've got something in the evening. You know when the evenings come round and you just feel like you want to eat and eat and eat. That's what these bars were good for. And that's how they were sold to us as well. Get your sweet fix. Get your chocolate hit. Have something in the evening. Eat it guilt free. 

 

But hang on. The slimming club consultant also said that if I wanted to have actual chocolate, I could have that. But if I chose a dark chocolate, I wouldn't eat so much of it. So maybe I'll just have the two squares of dark chocolate instead. No, surprise, surprise, that's never enough is it and I don't want a chocolate that I don't really want. If I'm going to eat chocolate, I'd like to enjoy it. I don't really want to have dark chocolate. I do like it. But it's not going to satisfy me. When I'm on such a restrictive plan, and all the joy has been sucked out of my diet, I want to eat chocolate, I want to eat proper chocolate. 

 

They did a very good job of making the bars that you could buy in group tastes good. In all fairness, I did really like them, and they for me were better than some that you can buy off the shelf in the supermarket because quite frankly, some of them taste like cardboard. They did a good job of making it a nice product. But they were expensive, and I don't want to pay that much money to have some chocolate in my life. But week after week, I walked through those doors on my way home with a few boxes in hand. So thank you slimming club for taking my life savings away, just so that I could have some chocolate. 

 

You know what the better option is? Neither of them. How about just have some chocolate, without the side of guilt, without worrying about the calories without worrying about whether they've got sugar in, you know, that sort of thing. It's a fact this is what chocolate is made of there is sugar in it, snd you know what, it's a product that's there to be enjoyed. 

 

Once you take the restriction away, and you know that you can eat chocolate, whenever you like day or night, without having to worry about what else you've eaten in your day, you'll come to realise that actually, it's not that important to you. It is something that you can give or take. You can have a pack of chocolate bars in the cupboard and only have one, you can have a big bar of chocolate and only have a few squares. Or you can have a big bar of chocolate and you can eat a lot. And it doesn't matter because if that's what it takes to satisfy you in the moment, then that's what it takes. 

 

But by taking the restriction away, you take the chocolate down off the pedestal you've put it on, and all of a sudden it's not that exciting anymore. So go ahead have the chocolate you want to have let's not have to make that choice. 

 

All right, would you rather a really creamy greek yoghurt with honey, and I don't know, whatever else they choose to put in it. Would you rather have a really lovely, silky thick yoghurt. Or would you like a watery, runny Muller rice that tastes synthetic? That is your choice on a slimming plan.

 

You can't have actual yoghurt, remember, because it's too calorific. There's too much fat, there's too many calories, it's really bad for you, right? Have the muller lite instead. You can eat as many as you like have those. Now I believe they've gone from a free food to a very small amount of sins on Slimming World now, but still, they do say you can eat an insane amount of these things and it doesn't matter, you don't have to count it. 

 

So if I can have 12 pots of mullrt light, why can't I have one pot of the other nice yoghurt? Because surely the calories are all going to mount up, aren't they? I say Muller light but you know there are other products available right? Before anybody from Muller comes to drag me through the courts for mentioning their name. I just mean these low, low, low, low, low fat yoghurts that they say you can eat on these plans. I know there are several, it's not just Muller, but if I say Muller, then you'll know what I mean. 

 

Anyway, these yoghurts have got X amount of calories per pot, haven't they? So if I'm going to eat a stack of those yoghurts, they're soon going to mount up, and they'll have contributed very little to my diet. Whereas if I have this pot of nice yoghurt that I really want, the chances are it's going to have a decent amount of fat, a decent amount of protein, it's going to have some other things in there that provides you with some nutrients that your body can use. And I'm going to have one pot of it because it's going to satisfy me. It's going to be a bit richer, it's going to be a bit thicker, and I'm going to enjoy it more. 

 

I'll only want one pot of it. If I want more than one pot fine, but on the whole point is, why would you choose a product that gives you no satisfaction? It doesn't give you any kind of satiety when you eat it. So you, you're not stopping yourself from being hungry. You're just cutting calories. Why would you have multiple of those options over one that was a really decent quality, a really good taste a really good flavour, a really good texture on the same lines as this? 

 

Would you rather have a cup of milk for the day? To use how you choose? Or would you rather have a very, very small amount of cheese? Now the easy option here for me, is to say, I'll take the cheese, please, because I love cheese, so I'm going to take the cheese over the milk. But then if you take the milk out of the equation, what do you have on cereal? What do you have in your cup of tea? What do you have in the lasagna source that you're making because you've decided you're not having the cottage cheese version anymore? 

 

Again, this is another so stupid rule. You can either have one or the other because God forbid, you should have too much fat in your day. And that is what this was restricting. So these were the A choices on the plan that I did. You could have one or the other, because you don't want too much fat? Well, actually, how about we look at the fact that these products contain things like protein, and good fat, and other nutrients that your body can get some really good use out of. 

 

Let's look at small children. We encourage them to have full fat milk, because it gives them strong teeth, strong bones, strong nails, you know, that sort of thing. Yet, when we get to an adult, you're discouraged because what you don't need to maintain that bone health anymore. But then what happens when you get to old age because we know that things like osteoporosis are a real problem in older age. But if your diet leading up to old age is lacking in things that will strengthen your bones it's too late by the time you get there. 

 

So why are we spending our adulthood trying to restrict fat from our diet, trying to restrict calcium from our diet? Because this is the key component in this this is the stuff that makes your bones and teeth and nails strong? Why are we restricting those things knowing that in older age, we're really going to have needed them in our life in order to be as healthy as we can be then? 

 

It just doesn't make any sense to me. It seems like the primary focus is on restricting calorie intake and losing weight at the expense of our future health. When we're following these diet plans, we never really look into why the rules are the way they are. We just know that this stuff is going to make us lose weight. In this case, we don't question why we can only have a small amount of cheese or a small amount of milk, we just go along with it because we think well, restricting fat, that's a good thing. Right? restricting calories is a good thing. And we do it. We don't question how this is going to impact our health, either in the very near future or the longer term. 

 

I think if people started asking these questions more and demanding more information, that actually the consultants wouldn't be able to answer them. Not really. They might be able to tell you how it applies there and then in the context of their plan that they're selling, but they're not going to be able to answer these questions you have about your long term health. And this is really important. 

 

So I'm not making that choice. I'm not choosing between milk or cheese. I'm gonna have them both. I know that they bring good stuff to my diet, to my health, to my overall balance of nutrients. I am going to have cheese and milk. Thank you very much. 

 

One final one to think about. Would you rather only eat to fruit in its whole form again, or never eat fruit ever again? Now for me, and for a lot of people, for a long while fruit was seen as a diet thing. It was a diet food. It was something that you are encouraged to eat because it's, quote unquote, good for you. 

 

Now that I'm an intuitive eater, I eat fruit as part of my day, every day, because I really enjoy it. Not because I feel like I have to eat it or not because it's something that I can eat when I really want to eat something else. So I do enjoy fruit. But going back to dieting my options were eat fruit In their whole form, or don't eat fruit, essentially, because the second you do something with that fruit, you have to count it. 

 

And for me my syns, my points, were far too precious to me to spend on fruit. I want to use them for chocolate, and cake and biscuits and nice things like that. I didn't want to what I saw as waste my points, my syns, on having fruit, because if I just ate it whole, I could eat it without having to count it. 

 

But the problem is that I don't really like fruit in that form. Most of the time, when it comes to things like apples and bananas and things like that they don't excite me. I like fruits like strawberries, raspberries, kiwis, you know, the fruits that are a little bit more exotic than your standard apple or banana. But quite often, the nicer way to eat these fruits is to put it in a smoothie or something like that. But wait a minute, on these plans, if you start doing that, you have to count the fruit. Okay? Because once you mash something with a fork, the banana is the famous one isn't it, once you mash a banana with a fork, you have to count it. 

 

Now, I think these plans forget that when you put a banana in your mouth, and you chew it, you are essentially mashing it. I don't know what their issue is there. I don't understand it. But if you eat a banana whole, it's fine. If you mash it, it's not fine. If you put a banana in your mouth and you bite it and chew it, then you're essentially mashing it. So I don't know why they think there's a difference with that. 

 

But other fruits as well. If you put them in a blender, and you mix them up, then apparently you're doing some kind of crazy changing of the fibres in the fruit. And because of the way you then digest it, you have to count it. Have you ever heard anything so crazy and all your life? In my eyes, if you're eating this fruit, no matter whether it's been blitzed up or not, you are going to get the good stuff from the fruit. 

 

You are going to get the vitamins, you're going to get the minerals, you are going to get the satisfaction that comes from having a flavour that you really, really enjoy. It's true that when you break it down like that, it doesn't get digested in quite the same way. The fibres are broken down a little bit more, so you don't get that side of it quite so much. But you don't lose so much of it, that it totally negates the benefits of eating the fruit. So go ahead and have the fruit in whatever blooming form you like. It's there to be enjoyed. It's there to be a part of your overall balanced diet. 

 

If you're eating other things that have got fibre in them, like the bread and things like that, then your overall balance is probably going to be somewhere close to where you need to be fibre wise. I know that I would rather have fruit in a smoothie every day of the week taking in the good stuff that these fruits have got to offer than never having fruit in my life because I don't enjoy it in its whole form. It's a no brainer, isn't it? Eat the fruit the way you like it. 

 

I hope what you can see from this episode so far is that these rules that they impose on us are stupid, most of the time. You shouldn't have to choose between one food and another, one type of dairy and another, one type of fibre and another. You shouldn't have to choose. 

 

If you're eating intuitively, you're naturally going to go towards the food that you really want a need in your diet. And I've said it before, but studies have shown that intuitive eaters really do have such a good overall intake of all the vitamins, all the minerals, all the food groups, intuition will guide you to eat whatever it is your body needs. You don't need some kind of weird plan, telling you to choose between one or the other. 

 

And in choosing one or the other, we're creating this restriction that we're trying to get away from. We are creating a restriction that will drive a binge or craving towards a particular type of food later in the day. It takes away the satisfaction that we're looking for as intuitive eaters. 

 

There are so many of these food choices they could have come up with, so many ways we dodged the system so that we can have a specific type of food, so many compromises that we make so that we can have a food that we really like, but in a way that suits our diet plan, so many ways to suck the joy out of our life just so that we can eat something that we think we will enjoy, that we don't end up enjoying. 

 

I bet you've thought of loads of others while I've been talking. There are so many of them. So share them with me. If you think of other ones, do share them with me come over to Instagram or the Facebook group and leave your examples in the comments underneath the post for this podcast episode. Let's, let's have a good giggle at the expense of diets, shall we? 

 

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Take care. Have a lovely, lovely week. Look after yourself, eat good food, make good food choices, not crazy diet club choices, and I'll speak to you next week. Bye bye.